Sunday, July 18, 2010

Mango Had a Seizure by Mango Momma




I had considered letting Mango or Dexter tell you about the events of last night or not even mentioning it at all, but decided that the best thing would be for me to tell you (in detail) because I could use some human comments.

Last night, shortly after we went to bed I awoke to a banging in the living room that sounded as if somebody was hurling the furniture around. I ran out to discover Mango on the floor convulsing and emptying his bladder. Just horrible. My husband heard my cries and came out and stayed with Mango while I ran around getting dressed and grabbing keys and whatnot to go to the ER.

His convulsions stopped after about a minute and a few minutes later he staggered to his feet but was very confused and frightened. He would not let either of us near him. and retreated to a distance of about six feet when approached. I was able to get his leash and told him we were going in the car and he followed me out to the car and got in. Phew. But still agitated and panting.

He seemed almost his old self once we got to the ER. They took him to the back and after a couple of hours he was sent home with us. The on call vet discussed in detail with us all the possible causes of seizures, but this was the key note on his discharge papers, "Given Mango's presentation and age we are suspicious that this may be idiopathic epilepsy or a brain tumor. As we discussed, frequently dogs with seizures will continue to have seizures the rest of their lives."

Mango was totally back to normal by the time we got home and very happy to see Dexter. Poor little Dex freaked when it was happening and ran to the back door which is a good thing as I know that dogs having seizures can attack or be attacked by their pals. I will note that Dex has been staying closer to Mango than usual. But I was awakened at 5:30 AM (after four hours of sleep) by Mango's usual "give me breakfast" tail thumping and he seems right as rain.

I am including a happy making photo of Mango taken last summer during what I thought at the time was a heat wave (nothing like what the past few weeks have been). He is enjoying being in the direct path of the AC



I would appreciate good thoughts and any advice you have about the situation. Apparently seizures are not unusual. Our instructions are to do nothing and see if it happens again. A prolonged seizure would be very bad as even this relatively short one caused him to heat up very fast and one lasting a few minutes could damage his organs. Not to mention the risk of his falling off the deck or otherwise hurting himself.

I clearly remember my last thoughts before I went to bed last night, "Mango is doing so well with his training and is physically and mentally in the best shape of his life." I have often thought of whether I would want another mastiff and I was thinking a resounding "yes" to myself as I dozed off. Then the crisis of being faced with a 230 pound dog with no way to get him to the ER unless he could walk into the car. Gives one pause.

Mango Momma

P.S. Any tips on getting urine out of a wool carpet and pad would also be helpful. At least he didn't poo, but oh man does he have a large and capable of emitting gallons of liquid bladder.

120 comments:

The Thundering Herd said...

Of all of the various ailments we have had to deal with over the years, we are quite fortunate that seizures were not a part of that (the only ones we had were a symptom of another issue we were treating). Unfortunately, that means that I do not have any advice.

But good thoughts are something we can provide. And The Herd is thinking of you and Mango today.

Khyra And Sometimes Her Mom said...

Khyra's Mom here

You already know our thoughts and good wishes -

As for the urine, I know lots of people swear by Simple Solution - or some of the others -

I'm sure you'll get lots of good ideas from here -

We are glad you shared this for as we know, the blogging community is a very supportive group and provides LOTS of excellent resources!

Hugz&Khysses,
Khyra, Khousin Merdie, and Khyra's Mom Phyll

Sasha + Rupert said...

Hi Mango Momma

I hope Mango stays ok - I don't know anything about seizures, but I am very familiar with middle-of-the-night dog-related events (they never do it during the day, for some reason).

I can help you with the urine question - there are a number of products available which remove urine stains and smells - I've used one in Australia called "Urine Off" but I think it's an American product. You can buy it in quite large containers, and it does an extremely good job.

I've been told a lot of people use these products just for general carpet cleaning, because they are very good and don't have a strong chemical smell.

Sorry I can't help you with the seizures question, but I hope this helps - and that Mango doesn't have any more problems!

Sasha & Rupert's human

Noah the Airedale said...

Oh heck....what a day for bad news.
We sure hope Mango is ok. Mango mama, you must have gotten such a fright to see him like that.
We have you in our thoughts Mango. Please be well.

Noah Willow Tess Lucy

Niamh said...

Poor Mango. We are all so sorry to hear about the seizure. I have to second the advice about Urine Off. It is the best thing for pee accidents.

It sounds like Mango came through the post seizure period fairly quickly and was back to normal. That is a good thing since some dogs don't recognize their people or behave aggressively for quite awhile afterwards. If you are anywhere near Tufts, you could consult their neurology dept. Wish we had advice to offer you, but we are thinking of you guys.

Paws crossed,
Niamh, Ambrose & Barbara

Wild Dingo said...

OMD! First: give Mango plenty of hugs and kisses from Juno and Loki. We love The Mango so much and are seriously bummin' to hear this news.

2nd: i never had a dog with seizure disorder, but Maggie had them in the last 2 days of her life, and i can totally sympathize with how you feel. it seems the dog being distant and scared and confused is quite common from a seizure. because she reacted the same way to hers. and i can tell she literally fought them off because she hated them so.

3rd: do nothing? really? i'm really surprised a vet would suggest that given the 2 possiblities. at the very least, i'd love to rule out brain tumor, then at least you have an idea of what you're dealing with. a brain tumor to "me" would bring on some other complications that you would probably at least want to prepare for emotionally and mentally and maybe even physically (medicines, make adjustments to treatment/care etc. Tumors that are epileptic could perhaps be totally different story long term and how you deal. if it were "me" i'd insist on diagnosing to help "me" prepare and make better decisions on how to care for him. plus if it is a tumor, there may be all sorts of holistic things you can do to help treat. and if it's epileptic, well, i'd assume there are medications. there are also holistic ways in treating that too.

Finally: more and more i'm reading about epilepsy in breeded dogs. it's something that i worry about if/when i decide to purchase a dog versus rescue. One thing you can do for your future with mastifs is check into epilepsy in the bloodline, not just sire and dam, but grand sire and grand dam and possible sibblings, etc. i read about people checking for this in dogs they purchase.

ok, finally, if you need any help or ideas, or just some love for the mango, well, we're always here. hopefully we can share a few giggles and think about all the silly stuff our ridiculous dogs do to brighten our lives. The Mango is not beyond being relentlessly ridiculous! LOL. hugs to you from all of us at Wild Dingo, including Mr. Wild Dingo, who also sends his sympathies and warm wishes for the Mango. He says The Mango rocks!

nancyturtle said...

Seizures are scary events! My border collie mix has had two in her life and my vet's advice was the same as your ER vet's-wait and see. The first was, I think, due to too much running on a hot day and the second was a reaction to anesthesia after a severe trauma. Both were about 6 years ago and have not recurred. She will be 13 in October.
As for the urine, I've had good luck with Nature's Miracle. It's an enzyme product that breaks down the odor causing components in the urine. It can take several days for the smell to disappear so you must be patient and make sure it's completely dry.

Jen said...

I stumbled on your blog a few weeks ago and I am really enjoying it!! :) Love reading about Mango and Dexter!

Anyway, in the field of Seizures, my Lab Sophie has had 2 in the last few months that I know of. And, of course, got very similar advice from the vet: "We don't do anything until they are more frequent, or we see one happening at the office". So, I went back to my friend who has a sheltie who has seizures and talked to her at great length. Her advice when a dog is just starting to have them is to take notes and notes about where/when/stresses/dietary changes/routine changes.. anything that you can think of that may show a pattern should he have another one. Then you wait, and hope. And you may want to call your reg. vet and investigate the tumour lead. If it's idiopathic (and that's what Sophie seems to have), there's no medical cause, like a tumour that they can see. Other than that, they won't treat if it's one seizure. They won't medicate if it's two- it has to be a more established pattern then so that's another reason to keep notes on how often etc.

Anyway, sorry you have to deal with this! Give Mango a hug for us, and tell Dexter that Sophie thinks he's handsome!

Jen and the Black Dog Crew

3 doxies said...

Oh my heavens Mango Mamma...I am so deeply sorry this has happened to Mango. I'm sure my words aren't going to be of much comfort when there is no certainity of the future...but, what I can tell you is that I appreciate so much for your telling us of his seizure, thank you for letting us be there for you and Mango. I can't imagine what you are going through but I hope you know we will be here for ANYTHING you need.
I have to admit I was wondering how you were going to get him in the car but you would hve found a way given the adrenalin pumpimg, the Mango won't be let down by his mamma.
I've personally never have dealings with seizures but my good next door neighbors dog was diagnosed about 2 weeks ago. They took him to the vet and it was pretty much the same scenario as Mango's...they could or could not happen basically. The VET put him on some medication as a PRN and so far he has been doing perfect well.
Anyway, don't mean to take so much of your time but just please know we are thinking of you, your family , and Mango and we are here if you need anything. Please give him a relentlessly huuuuuuge hug from us and blogland...we love you guys.

Allison...Puddles mum

Minna Krebs said...

Poor Mango,

My sister's dog, Auggie, (a lab retriever mix) has suffered from seizures for several years, and it sounds just like what Mango went through last night. The vets have told her if they ever occurred on a more consistent basis they could put him on some sort of medication. But his have only occurred very irregularly (sometimes a couple time a year..sometimes less...sometimes more) The good news of this, is that other than scaring my sister out of her wits...he always seems to recover fine in a relatively short amount of time.

My quick suggestion to use for the carpet cleaning is Woolite Carpet Cleaner with Oxy in the spray bottle. It is easily available here in the grocery stores, etc and not too expensive. I have had good luck with this on dachshund size accidents.

Hugs to all!
MinnaK

The Rocky Creek Scotties said...

We are so sorry to hear about our buddy, Mango. Our Mom as no experience with seizures in dogs. It is important though if he has a seizure to move away anything that might cause him to hurt himself.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

XOXO
Lilly, Piper, Carrleigh and Ruairi

Maggie Mae said...

Mango Momma,

I am very sorry to hear about what happened to Mango last night. Poor Dexter must have been so frightened right along with you and your husband. I do know what you are going through, my first boxer Samantha had seizures (due to her heart condition) Are mastiff's prone to cardiomyopathy? That is the heart condition that Samantha had, no cure but it can be managed through medication.

Allison is right, we are all here for you if you need us. Thank you for letting us know about Mango, all of you are in my prayers. Please give the Mango Man and Dexter lots of woofs and licks from Maggie Mae and a big hug from me.

Janelle (Maggie Mae's mom)

JD and Max said...

Hi Mango Mama,

We're so sorry to hear about what happened with Mango, that must have been terrifying for you all. We agree with Khyra that the blogosphere is a great place for everyone to come together and offer advice and support so we hope you get some really good ideas and some guidance from people who have also experienced this.

Being new to dog-ownership this is something I have never been through (yet!) so unfortuntely I can't offer any advice from an experienced level for the seizures, although I would echo Wild Dingo's comments about the 'do nothing' suggestion from the vet. It does seem a little blase given what the 2 options were and we agree you should probably try to at least rule out the brain tumor at the very least, as I think it would give you a little comfort to narrow down what you might be dealing with.

Plenty of support and healing vibes we can offer in the bucket-loads - we'll be thinking of you all and checking in for updates. We'd like to hope this is a 'one-off' but whatever happens you can take a little comfort that you won't be going through it on your own.

Snuggles and love - JD, Max and Clare.

♥♥♥ The OP Pack ♥♥♥ said...

We are so sorry to hear about Mango's seizure. First of all, we would re-echo others' opinions about finding out more about the brain tumor possibility. Much better to know what might be causing the seizure. Phantom has had a history of seizures over the years, yes, years, with no treatment because they are infrequent enough. But there are some things you can do when he has one.

He may never have another one or may have a lot. His behavior is exactly the way Phantom acts. The one thing you can do for him during a seizureis talk gently to him and use his name telling him it is OK. Over and over. And pat him if he will let you. I always stand on the side facing his back so his face is away from me just in case. And Dexter did just what the others do - stay away. They are so scary to watch and even though usually very short, they seem to last forever. Vets won't do much unless they become quite frequent. As someone else has said, you should try to note anything about yesterday that you can remember, weather, temps, what he ate, what he did, how he acted - before the attack. And keep it in a log so you can monitor any future ones. Hopefully he will not have another one. Hugs to all of you.

The OP Pack Mom

Lola said...

I am so sorry that this happened to Mango and you. I wish I had better advice. I will ask my sister (Alpha Mom) who has more medical knowledge about animal care than I do. I think you have to when you have horses. I'll see if she has any advice to offer. The only experience we've had with seizures in a dog was not comparable because she was elderly and sick already. I guess if this happened to one of our dogs now, we would try a specialist if possible.

As far as the carpet goes, Nature's Miracle has always worked for us, but we haven't tried the other products mentioned. In the case of a lot of urine it often took many applications and even a few weeks for the Nature's Miracle to do a complete job, but it did finally work.

You certainly have all our good thoughts. We love Mango and want him to be just fine.

Hugs and good vibes, Pat (Blog Mom)

Sam said...

Oh, no. Not good news to wake up to. And what a scary sight for YOU to see. I do know that sometimes dogs just have freak seizures and they never happen again. I hope that's the case here. We'll be thinking of you and hope that this thing - what ever it is - never comes back.

Feel better, big guy.

Roo said...

Roo's Mom here. Before Roo we had an English Bulldog that started having seizures after having some mouth surgery. Terrifying for her parents. At the time, our vet was a western medicine practitioner and prescribed some medication to help prevent recurrence. This helped lessen the frequency but also kept her in a constant sluggish groggy state. We felt this was untenable for her long term (from a quality of life perspective). So we went back to the vet for an alternative. The vet then prescribed a sedative (liquid administered anally)that would only be given once a seizure started. This stopped the seizure in its tracks and prevented potential damage from a strong seizure episode. She was able to live many more happy active years under this "treatment" method.

We sincerely hope that this is Mango's first and only seizure. Based on what we've read, there are numerous potential causes. Hopefully his was triggered by a one time external stimulant.

We have found going forward that we get better advice to consider by consulting both western and holistic veterinary practitioners. Just like to have a broad range of perspectives to distill from vs. a narrow one.

Hugs, love and positive thoughts to all of you from,
The Roo Family

MurphyDog said...

oh gosh...what a way to wake up. I'm so sorry you had to go thru this. Hopefully it is just an isolated incident.

What your vet told you about taking the 'wait & see' approach is very common. However, since he (she?) also mentioned on of the the most likely causes being a brain tumor, I agree with several other posters and if it were my dog I'd at least investigate more diagnostic work (cat scan or MRI). Given his size (and age), both might be risky due to the use of anesthesia, so that would have to be a consideration but it can't hurt to look into it.

One thing I know you can do for dogs while they are seizing is put a pillow under their head and lightly restrain them so they can't hurt themselves by knocking their heads on the floor. Other than that there's not much you can do besides stroke them and talk to them so they (on some sense) know that you are there. I can only imagine its as scary for them as it is for us when something like this happens.

As for removing the urine, since it went down to the pad I would get a professional to come in and clean that area. Once that's been done, then use something like Nature's Miracle to neutralize any odor that is remaining.

Owning a large dog definitely has its downside at times. I live by myself and have often wondered what I would do if something happened to Murphy in the middle of the night. He weighs 140 lbs now (a lightweight compared to Mango!) and there is NO way I would be able to lift him in the car if I needed to.

HUGS to you & your family & especially Mango & Dexter. I'll be keeping you guys in my thoughts and hope you don't have to go thru this again!

Murphy's Mom

Busby and Raymond said...

First of all, we are sending good thoughts to our friend Mango, to Dexter and to the Mango Mom & Dad. We had a kitten who had seizures about six years ago and that was freightening, we can imagine how horrible the experience with the giant Mango was.
We're going to be purring for Mango, and hope this was a one time event. Thinking of you!

Those Elgin Pugs said...

Okay..
I am typing through leaking eyes~

But I truly can say this, I do NOT think that it is a brain tumor.

I think it is an isolated incident that could have been brought on by a number of things...
Might he have gotten bit by something??
Or ate something??

I am so glad he is doing well this morning and please will you update us!!
I will send my prayers will be thinking of him today!!
I don''t have FB, but if you need anything..please e-mail me...
kitkatforaker@wowway.com
and Anakin says he hopes his Big Self will be okay!!!!!

MUCH LOVE and BIG HUGS

~Katy & Anakin Man

dewdana said...

Oh no :-( sooo scary!I know zilch about siezures but as dingo and 1 other said not sure I would be ok with wait n see if brain tumor was on the table. I understand the vet's approach (sounds like the norm) of needing more of a pattern and imagine they know from experience that the causes are so nebulous that all the tests in the world rarely pinpoint a cause that changes the course of treatment. But I would think Brain tumor would be reasonably easy (probably $$) to identify or rule out. I have to wonder why of all of the possibilities that one made it onto the exam notes... Does that mean it is the most likely or just the most direct one or what. Perhaps a second opinion? On the otherhand others with more experience have echoed this wait n see approach and I am encouraged by the post who mentioned a doggie who had 2 ages ago then never again. Fingers crossed for that. Interesting that heat was involved and that was my first thought but guess since he was resting in A/C for at least several hours I guess that can't be it?
Poor Dexter (and you and Master!). Glad he stayed back and safe. I know Moose would bolt if he saw that. As for what would you do with a 230lb dog who could not walk? I recall you were doing some stretcher training awoke ago... I assume that is because 2 people would be able to lift a 230 lb dog on a stretcher (no clue since I never tried). If he was disoriented and would not cooperate I guess that is irrelevant but maybe if he had hurt himself during the seizure and would cooperate once he was back to recognizing you it would still help?
As for pee, I am no expert but TeddyNo made puddles a few times and Mandy had old lady tinkle trouble and I used Woolite Heavy traffic rug stick because I am lazy. I scrub it in and leave it and come back and nothing left! I have done this on synthetic carpet with pad and wool area rug with no pad. Can't hurt to try it but sounds like the pros use urine off so maybe listen to them.
Paws crossed it will never happen again but know you will always worry about it. I will too. Hugs to Mango and the rest of you. Thanks for sharing this. It has been informative. Sorry this is so long!

rottrover said...

Hi Mango's Mom: SO scary. We had a pit/lab/heinz 57 a while back who had seizures. He was diagnosed with canine epilepsy as they started when he was about a year old. He was not given meds until they had occured monthly or so. I was also told by the vet to document the before, during and after events. Buddy's seemed to be triggered by stress -- if I would take him to the school where I worked, lots of people, etc. Also, there are phases to a seizure experience. There is a period of disorientation lasting from 15 minutes to an hour in which the dog may not be able to walk normally, or just seems disoriented. Allow for that to happen, don't be frightened, it will pass -- as it did last night -- but that's part of it. Make sure he has water availible afterwards. During the episode, just sit with him. He's not conscious, but your presence I'm sure is noted. My other dogs always left Buddy alone during a seizure and allowed him to recover. They knew when he was back to normal again and just moved on. They never "treated him differently." I hope the Mango's is just a result of his Big Adventure last week and a one time occurance. But there are meds, too and Buddy tolerated his phenobarbitol well. Keep us posted!

Mo said...

Sending (((HUGS))) from a cat blogger, and PURRS to Mango from the Purries of Purrchance To Dream.

As for the urine in the wool, PetSmart (or other pet stores) carry an enzyme-based cleaner like Nature's Miracle. That stuff has worked on some cat pee accidents when nothing (not even Oxiclean) would.

Saying a prayer for Mango,
Mo

Benny and Lily said...

Oh MY GOD!!! Poor baby, how terrifying. Prayers and good vibes sent to you buddy boy. Our paws are crossed
Benny & Lily

Frankie Furter said...

Dear friends, I can only imagine the total terror you must have felt. The Op Pac goes through this and gave you some wonderful information. Having taught several students who were aflicted with seizure disorders of various degrees and causes, I can say that OBSERVATION AND DOCUMENTATION are prime. May I also suggest that you observe Dexter Just as Closely!! Watch HIM for signs of an approaching event.
I know that may sound silly, but I took a CAT to school with me for the 3 years that I taught Moderately Severely Profoundly Retarted students. I had one student who had major medical issues. That cat... could predict the onset and culmination for her episodes!! Ohio State Univ. even sent students to Observe and Video the CAT. They were able to record 4 events where he predicted events up to 5 mins. before there were and signs... WE could see.

I would also say that Heat and Humidity... Doctors may Not agree with this... have an effect. I saw it with one of my students in particular.
You are ALL in our hearts and prayers. You KNOW that.
As to what to do during a seizure.. Do Not raise the head with a pillow... a folded towel works well to pad. If nothing else is available... slide your hands under the head. Since this one was on a carpet... you really did not need to do anything.
When I took a class called Medical Aspects.. the doctor that taught it said.. calm quiet and subdued lighting were so important for the patient. And to TRY to time the event... including the recovery period.

Heather and Ellie said...

Oh God Mango! That's really terrifying for everyone involved--I've never had any experience with seizures and that would have really freaked me out.

I'm glad to hear that Mango is okay for now, but how scary while it happened....I hope it was just a one time occurrence.

I wish I had some advice to give--but as I said above I've never had any experience with that stuff. Kudos to everyone else that has had experience and is sharing their stories!

Sam and Pippen said...

How frightening for you all! I wish I had some information for you but the boys are my first adventure into the doggie world and so far they have had no issues that weren't of their own making.

Keep us updated and know that we all have our paws crossed for you.

Sam and Pippen and Kathleen

Mack said...

Mango mom,
We are hoping and praying Mango NEVER has another seizure. Ever.
Could it be the heat? I know you guys are getting it AWFUL bad right now. And of course we are praying for our Mango real hard.
We had peepee stains so bad at our house, nothing worked (thanks Paris). We just had to rip up the carpet and get tile! So we hope you have good luck getting the stains out.
Love ya,
Mack Mom

twobarkingdogs said...

Both of mine have had a seizure, so I feel your pain/anxiety/fear! Clover's was a result of a concussion, but we never figure out what caused Cosmo's.

You might want to ask the vet about having some valium on hand for Mango in case. They sent me home with what I call "the seizure kit."

Poor big guy .... he was probably as afraid as you were. I hope he feels much better, and soon.

Here is what I wrote a few years ago about Cosmo's seizure. I am thankful that he never had another. I hope that is the case with Mango, too.

http://twobarkingdogs.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/hey-nice-lady-get-me-the-valium-quick/

Stanislaw said...

We are so sorry! What a spooky thing to have happen. Thank goodness The Mango is doing well now.

We have a blogging buddy who, although she hasn't been too active lately, has a great blog about her epi dog. She has lots of advice about meds that can trigger seizures, ways to stop a grand mal while it is in progress, and foods that helped/hurt. It starts out about their foray into the raw diet, but then focuses more on seizure prevention and therapy. I also think I remember reading something about how heat waves and high temps can worsen the condition.

I hope it's helpful. http://thebarfblog-emily.blogspot.com/

This is also supposed to be a fabulous information source: http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/

We did hours of research on that website when we thought Stanley suffered from focal seizures, (which turned out to be severe compulsive disorder), but the site had so much good info.

All the best to all of you.
-Stanislaw's mom

Tessa the Maltese said...

OMD we are so sorry to hear that Mango had a seizure. We just want to let you know that our prayers and thoughts are with you and your family now. We hope that Mango never has another seizure, that this was a one time thing from the bad heat.

Sending HUGS, Tessa and Mom Blu

houndstooth said...

My first Greyhound, Treat, had epilepsy, and she had grand mal seizures. Some of hers could last upwards of fifteen minutes.

At first, we were told that it might be stress and be a one time event, but it wasn't. Hers were like clockwork, about every three weeks. We did tests to rule things out and finally came to the conclusion that she had epilepsy. We tried potassium bromide to control her seizures (KBr) because it's supposed to be easier on the liver. It didn't work for us, although many have great success with it. We switched to phenobarbital and saw an improvement almost right away. Some dogs respond to one drug or the other, and I've known some who need both to control their seizures, too. Treat went on to live a very happy and active life after we got her on the medicine. She began having seizures at four years old and lived to ten. She worked as an ambassador for her breed, did nursing home visits, READ dog visits and always wanted to be on the go! She'd have walked off the end of the planet with me if I'd asked her to.

I did a lot of research on the subject when she was first diagnosed. I learned that dogs have the highest incidence of epilepsy of any animal, including people. There are over 200 different causes of seizures in dogs, including head injury, serious infection in the body, tumors, allergic reactions, stress, overheating and epilepsy. A good source for information is Labrador Retriever boards because they often tend to have epilepsy. You may want to have his thyroid checked, because low thyroid will often result in seizures, too!

If I can help you any, or answer any more questions for you, please don't hesitate to ask! I'm pretty sure you have our e-maill address.

Jazzi said...

O MY, poor Mango,
I hope he is feeling better and maybe it was just time time thing. I know you will take good care of him and our pawprayers are with you guys right now.

wags
Jazzi

houndstooth said...

Oh, and I almost forgot, start keeping a log of his seizures! Write down what time it happened, how long it lasted, what he was doing during the seizure (panting, rigid, jerking around, etc.), what he ate that day, what activities he did that day and any changes in routine. Sometimes this helps!

MJ's doghouse said...

oh dear....poor big man....Mj has never had seizures....ever..but I worry about everything so I can imagine your pain right now. I hope he remains seizure free, about the carpet...I have no idea...but...Sonya the pet psychic..lol...says to always use pet friends products on you floors cauze it can cause dogs and cats to get very sick..(hey i have satalite radio and she is on just before my fave program so that is the last thing she always says)...anyhow give Mango a big ole hugs from MJ....she will be blogging again soon....
take care mango family.

Peppy Sheppys said...

Mango,

I am very sorry to hear about your seizures. My first dog, a corgi, had epilepsy. His was idiopathic, we have no idea what caused it. He had convulsions of 4-6 minutes followed by a post-ictal state of 5-10 minutes. We were told to clear the area around him so that he couldn't hit things but to not restrain him. I usually talked to him through the seizure and I could tell the moment the confusion went away and he would often fix his eyes on me so I know on some level he understood. He took phenobarbitol that controlled the seizures. It took a little time to get the dosage right (the high dosages made him lethargic) but they were well controlled. Unfortunately, the other ape here has idiopathic seizures with no clear cause. They are awful. Interestingly, they do the same wait and see approach with humans, too--though after a CT scan to check for tumors. I would be inclined to suggest the same for the Mango Man and for your state of mind. I also think houndstooth has a great idea w/the diary.
There are a lot of good sites on canine epilepsy, too: http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/
We'll be thinking of you and the Mango.

Sue said...

My first PWD, Bentley, had a seizure. He never had another, but that one was very scary for all of us. When he came out of it, he was confused and kept going to the corner of the room and pushing against the wall. I phoned the vet ad he said to give him some candy because there could be a big drop in his blood sugar. I offered him the candy and he almost immediately became calmer and more like himself.

It never happened again and I hope I don't ever witness another one.

Rufus and Indie said...

OMD! That was scary! Unfortunately I know this story very well. Indie has the same. Sometimes she drops on the floor and 5 min later she is back.
My only advice would be for you to be careful because Mango is a very big dog and when he falls he may hit the floor with his head.
All the heat is not helping!
Keep us posted!
GET BETTER, MANGO!!!

Kisses
Rufus and Indie

Jake of Florida said...

Mango momma, I just saw this -- and have none of the experience and advice that so many of Mango's fans have -- but just wanted you to know that we'll be hoping this is indeed a one-time event and that you -- and Mango Man -- will be OK after such a traumatic night.

Keep us informed. Every bit of knowledge we can all share takes root somewhere. Perhaps Linda has some good advice too, after what she went through with Ms. Snickers.

Wirey love from Jake and Just Harry

Joan

Piappies World said...

Hello Mango Mom,

We are sorry to hear about the unfortunate incident of Mango. We wish we could help with advise re: seizures but we not had it with piappies.

We do have our paws crossed for Mango that it would not happen again and that you are all in our thoughts.

Take care Mango!

Love,
Piappies Fudgie, Princess, Frappie, Mocha, Sugar, Wai-Pai & Wai-Max

Butchy, Katie, Ruby, Sylvester, Scuby, Hootie said...

Oh poor Mango! Mama is so bummed. Mama can tell you lots of things from going through seizures with Angel Snickers. She'll pmail you with lots of stuff.
Wirey Hugs, Purrz & Licks,
Butchy, Katie, Ruby, Sylvester, Scuby & Hootie

Jan's Funny Farm said...

Oh, Mango Momma, what a horrible experience. I well remember the first time Buddy had a seizure. Sam was upset, racing around him barking in his face, and I freaked out. He was only a 40 pound dog and I wouldn't have been able to lift him. Fortunately, he recovered and was able to walk to the car to go to the vet. I can only imagine what you were going through with Mango. I hope Mango is okay and hope it never happens again.

Jan

I is Jake said...

Hai Mango's Mom! I has seizures too, its no fun. I am a small guy of 15 pounds but boy do I make lots of noise when it happens. Its very scary for me and Mom and Dad. The last one I had, both mom and dad sat with me while it went on. I was spacey and not myself for a day after. Its no fun being different but mom and dad knew this would happen since I was a pup. I has only had 2 seizures in 2 years - both of them this year. Mango hang in there and make sure yoo gives yer mom and dad some cold wet nose in the early mornings! BOL

I is Jake!


Jakes Mom - I use this stuff called OUT! Stain & Odor Remover. It works well for cleaning and getting rid of urine stains and smell. I bought a gallon of it at Walmart for about $9.00. I hope Mango will be okay, its so hard when the furry ones have a seizure. They do know when you are close and hold them tight while they are seizing and I think this has helped Jake, when he has had his.

Laure

pam said...

There are so many thoughts firing through my brain - I hope he's ok, you must have been so scared, what must the poor guy have thought, etc...

But mostly just I am thinking of you and have you all in my prayers.

ps. I must admit it would have been funny to hear Mango tell the tale (ie. I was just laying there and all of a sudden WTH...)

Laura, Lance, and Vito said...

so sorry that happened to Mango! I know the panic you must have been in and the panic you are still in right now trying to deal with it.

I don't know anything about seizures but my guess is the ER vet is right about just waiting. I'm praying that Mango doesn't have any more, but I think you should also try and document anything you can remember about yesterdays events and the seizure itself. That way you can start to build a file and give your regular vet more information if it were to happen again.

Hugs.

Randi said...

Oh geez..our hearts are just racing reading about the drama from last night...

While we have no formal training or diagnoisis with seizures, Randi has had a handful of abnormal sessions where she pants, drools, - drips like a faucet, her eyes dialate, she licks her lips incessantly, & is agitated - like she is nervous - she always wants to be near me when this happens..I've consulted vets - & they all say mild seizures...but can really signify one way or another unless they can hook her up to a machine while this is happening...

So while we have never had near a scare as you last night, we do know the horrid feeling of watching your baby & feel like you are unable to help.

Love to Mango, Dexter, Master & of course, Mango Mama

Love,
Randi's mom

Beans4Biscuits said...

We have been reading the adventures of Mango and Dexter for weeks, and were very worried when we heard about Mangos's seizure.

We had a Beagle when I was young that had some kind of epilepsy with seizures. There were dietary changes made and after about 6 months her seizures became much more infrequent-about 1-2 a year.

I have to agree that Urine-off is a great product. Nature's Miracle is pretty good also, but doesn't seem to work on the odor as quickly.

I hope this doesn't make you decide against another Mastiff-if I wasn't allergic I would have a house full of Mastiffs to go along with my bossy Shih-tzu.

Please keep us updated on how Mango is doing-everyone hopes for the best!

Lots of love to Mango
Cande (the shih-tzu whisperer)

Hansel said...

peroxide will take it out of the carpet - the stain anyway.


Our mom works at a vet. We've seen many dogs have a seizure- and never have one again in their life. We've also seen plenty of dogs with epilepsy, and it's managed VERY well on meds.

i am also very small so i would never have a large dog i couldn't pick up and get to the vet by myself.

If it happens again- be careful. because they aren't aware it's you sometimes and will bite- not on purpose. Sometimes it just happens. I would wait and see if it happens again. Hopefully- it won't!

mayziegal said...

Hi Mango Momma...Mayzie Momma here.

I was scared just reading your post. I can't imagine how terrified you were.

I have often thought to myself that I am not sure I'd want a much larger dog than I have now for the very reason you talked about. I know that I can pick both of our dogs up and take them where we need to go. This was really brought home to me a couple of years ago when Ranger hurt his back and wasn't allowed to go up or down stairs (which we have a lot of!), or even walk around much so we had to carry him everywhere. I LOVE big dogs but I just don't think I could have one after that experience.

I think I would definitely get a 2nd opinion about what to do (or not to do) right now. My sister's chihuahua, Zero, developed seizures early in his life (chihuahuas are prone to them) and he's been on meds since he was very young to control them. And the meds work great. He's now 10 years old and healthy and happy. I think it would be a possibility worth exploring.

Take care of yourself and give Mango a big ol' smooch from Mayzie and me!

Amber

ScrapsofMe said...

Puffy had lots of seizures the last 2 years of his life. Some mild...just walking in circles sideways banging into wall...some more serious causing wobbly hind legs, falling down, full body twitching. The vet was not able to find a tumor or any sign of cancer. She said it might be mini strokes. We did not medicate him, just kept him safe. Transporting any dog will seizing is difficult, you could get bit or the dog could get out of control.

We did invest in Urine Off by the gallon and used it in our carpet cleaner instead of carpet shampoo. Just blot up as much pee as you can...then saturate it with the urine off in your carpet cleaner and let it dry. Don't try to clean it with soapy stuff first. If the carpet is not fitted, you can clean the hard floor with urine off and the pad and rug separately. Buy it online, it's much cheaper than at the vets office.

Sending big virtual huggies to you and lots of belly rubs n ear scritches to the boyz.

Pam....Bonnie's support staff

Kari in WeHo said...

Oh my gosh how scary! I am glad to here he is back to normal now but its unsettling to know how fast things can change.


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Mimi and CC Cabana said...

What an outpouring of support here! I'm sure it must make you feel very loved. ;)

That's so scary about the seizure. On our morning walk today, a man we crossed paths with mentioned that his lab had been having seizures. He said he switched to Eagle Pack holistic dog food, and his dog has not had seizures since. I don't know what caused his dog's seizures or whether it was really the food that helped--but that's what he said.

Our 15-year old cat has been having seizures, and when I took her to the vet, they recommended that I videotape her when the next one happens. I think the vet didn't believe she was having a true seizure because she doesn't eliminate while she's having them. And although reaching for your camera isn't the natural response when a seizure is underway, I wonder if the documentation would be at all helpful in a diagnosis?

Big hugs for Mango and Dexter. Hope things stay calm and uneventful for you all, as far as this kind of activity is concerned!

Fiona, as typed by Dr. Liz said...

Oh no - poor Mango and family - anything like that is tough on the entire family! My husband had a Yorkie a number of years ago who had small-dog encephalitis and would have seizures somewhat regularly. He had small doses of valium on hand (for the dog, not him!) after the seizure just to help him rest. But we are all thinking happy thoughts for the big guy.

-hugs (and kissey face from the girls) from Fi's Family

Tank said...

My assistant had a dog when she was young that had seizures. She says It's very difficult to watch. Hopefully this was a one time incident for Mango.

El'bow and Hauwii said...

hi mangomom its sanne

omg! that story scared me!!!
i know what you where going tro wen mango had that seizure. El'bow has a couple time in his life a moment that he falls down and get a seizure. he does this just a fel secondes and stand up and just beiing el'bow again

we went to the docter but everyting is ok.
it was very light version of a seizure.

give mango a very very big hug and you and your husband also
and our dexter to poor dog!

i dodnt know if someone sad it alreaddy about the urine
but this comes from a belguim cleaning book with all naturel products
to get urine out of wol

lukewarm water , if necessary with a wool detergent which vinegar is added.
treat it after with warm water


hope this help :)

Kissslobbers
El'bow & Hauwii

violett said...

Oh mango mummy, it does to me sorry ones to read that mango had hard time so. Hopefully it is for long, long time!
If mango again has an attack, I would take up this also on video and show to the Dogdoc.
Lots of love
violett

doyle and mollie said...

oh sheesh we can only guess how horrid this is for you our beloved mango in strife is just ghastly... could it be the heat that triggered it?? there are some great cooling jackets available by ruff gear... they also do the harnesses with the 'handle' which may help the lifting although a crane comes to mind as the lifting device... keep us informed mangomomma and i know its a silly thing to say since we are miles away but if there is anything we can do please ask... loves and licks and all our paws crossed for no more seizures and years of health for our bestest mango!

Dennis the Vizsla said...

Poor Mango, and poor you! It looks like the others have a lot more advice than I could give so we will just send you tail-wags and purrs instead.

Lorenza said...

Mango Momma!
I am so sad to know about Mango's seizure. I have my paws crossed and my mom is praying for an "only this time episode".
Maybe you can take him with his regular Vet to run some tests and to try to find out where it came from.
Kisses and hugs to all of you.
Take care
Lorenza

Marjie said...

Oh, poor Mango! We've never had seizures, but our first mastiff had a torsion ("bloat"). Our oldest son was only 11, and it was terrible trying to get him into the back of our station wagon to get him to the vet. We were too late. But having become a fan of the Gentle Giants, we have had 2 more mastiffs, Julie and Thor. I wish I had some words of wisdom to lay on you, but all I have is words of concern.

little princess Luna~ said...

hello mango's mummy. we are new furends that are coming to let you know that mango and his family are in your thoughts and prayers~! we hope everything gets better soon~!! we are so sorry mango had to experience something so scary and horrible....

xo,
luna

Molly-Pops said...

What a scary thing for all of you, I can imagine the noise you heard as my Mom sometimes has them too and she makes a huge thump when she goes down.
Momma wondered if it could have anything to do with his nasty boo boo he had recently and we both agree with lots of the others that you should rule out the brain tumour even if only for peace of mind. I think ( but am not sure ) but the recent heatwave you have had may not have helped but I hope and pray it will be a one off and Magnificent Mango will not have anymore. Momma says sorry she has no ideas on the wee prob as we have laminate floors so we are no help.
I have my paws crossed and Momma has her fingers crossed and we are sending healing thoughts and positive paw power to you both and Dexter too and huggles to you all as well.
With big luvs and hugs
Molly and her Momma
x x x x

Beaglebratz & mom too said...

OMD! Such a scary thing to have to watch, especially if you have never seen one before. Altho I have read and other Beagle owners have told me that seizures are somewhat common in Beagles, nether Shiloh or Shasta had ever had one - until about a year and a half ago and thank goodness, no more since. One evening the digs were iyt in the bakyard 0 I had given them some treats. Shortly there0after, for some reason I lookedover by the fence and there was Shiloh at first he was groaning a little and wouldn't move. Then he started acting like he was climging the fence only his back paws stayed on the ground. Then he started rearing up and down like a horse does p he'd jump up but his back paws stayed on the ground. I was able to look in his face and saw that he was petrified as he contined to writh and whimper. Luckily I had my cell phone with me and called our 24/7 vet clinic. We never went to the vet - they are only about a block from me but I can't drive due to physical problems. After speaking with the vet a few minutes, who helped to calm my pabic and talked me thru Shiloh's most recent behaviors and what he had eaten, I remebered that the treats I had given him were some I had made - bits of hotdog that I thought I had lightly sprinkled with garlic powder - I knew other people who had fed their dogs the same with no problems so I figured why not mine. Neither Shiloh nor Shasta have had any hotdogs since and no more seizures either. I did keep an eye on Shiloh for a couple of days but like I said, no more seizures. Now since Mango's haooened so late, it was probably NOT something he ate - but I know how scared you must have felt.

As for the urine problem, I knowNature's Miracle works well.

Team Beaglebratz is sending Mango and his mom lots of healing thoughts and wishes.

Zona said...

I came over from Frankie's blog. I am SO sorry to read about this. My sweet Ginger developed late onset epilepsy and of all of her many, many health issues during her lifetime, this was the most stressful. For me. She seemed to take it in stride but my heart goes out to you. We were given the same advice after the first seizure. There is a Yahoo group that was very informative and helpful. Please feel free to contact me (my contact info is on Zona's profile page) with any questions you have or just to chat with someone who has been there.

I didn't read all of the comments but I'm sure you got some helpful advice.

Meanwhile, I'm sending up prayers that this was an isolated incident. It DOES happen! And please know that even if seizures recur, medication is an option, which really helped to control her seizures.

Jill (Zona's mom)

PDX pride said...

We are sooo sorry to hear about Mango's seizure! Nothing we can offer about seizures, except to get him to the vet asap when one comes so that it's not prolonged (because of all the reasons you mentioned, and that the longer it goes on the greater chance of recurrence).

About the carpet, however, we have one major piece of advice: Nature's Miracle. If you don't know about this product, it's WONDERFUL!!!!! Petco and Petsmart both carry it, in gallon jugs with a spray nozzle. Shake it up, spray or pour it on, and let it sit and dry. It saved our futon when Lydia kitty showed her displeasure at moving houses five years ago!

sprinkles said...

I read about Mango on Frankie Furter's blog and wanted to stop by.

First, let me just say that I am so very sorry to hear about his seizure. I've never experienced one with a dog but I had a friend who was epileptic and it was always very scary to watch him when he went down.

Actually, now that I think about it, my dad's really, really, really ancient beagle has seizures too but she just shivers for an extended period of time. The vet said because she's so old that they wouldn't do anything unless it became worse.

I'm surprised your vet wouldn't do more to find a cause. I would want to know if my dog had a brain tumor if only to be able to prepare for what's ahead. Not like you can really prepare for it but at least you'd know what to expect.

As for getting urine stains out of carpeting, I can't help you there but I do know how to get cat blood out of a rug - peroxide works wonders in just a matter of a few minutes!

I will be back for updates and will keep you all in my prayers.

The Furry Kids said...

We just read about Mango on facebook. We don't have any advice about seizures, but we are purring and purraying and sending slobbery dawg kisses your way.

Dozer and Coop said...

We hope our Mango Man is feeling better and his Momma too. Dottie has been having mild seizures (legs mostly) but nothing like Mr. Mango. Please know Mum has Mr. Mango in her prayer list. We're sending good vibes too.

Tucker said...

Oh No Mango Momma that must have been such a terrible experience. I myself have had a seizure and I can tell you I didn't remember any of it and it was a good thing I was sitting when it happened. When we went to Tucker's first training class there was a Rottie there that was only a year old and was being treated for Seizures. She did fine during the class but after class when the other dogs had left she had a seizure right there. The owner said that they tend to come after intense stress. Is there a chance that something could have stressed Mango out earlier in the evening? I'm sure there are lots of things that bring a seizure on. Give him a kiss for me and hopefully he's better and it never happens again.

- Tucker's Momma

Furkidsmom said...

We're so sorry to hear about Mango's seizure. We do know a lot of woofies have problems with them and medication helps a lot. We'll purr and pray really hard for Mango.

Sniffie and the Florida Furkids

Busby and Raymond said...

Mango Mom, we know you have probably been all over the internets doing research since this happened to our Mango Man. But in case you missed this link, here it is. http://www.mastiff.org/SEIZUREDISORDERSINMASTIFFS.htm

We hope you are able to update us on Mango to let us know how he is doing (and how you are doing too). We have never seen so many comments on any blog post. Everyone loves the Mango!

The Boston Lady said...

I am a newbie to your fantastic blog and I am sorry you had to go through such a scary experience with Mango. We have two small Boston Terriers now, but we once had a lab that had occasional seizures. Unexplained. Spaced far apart. I kept a diary, as I noticed many have suggested and I could never find a common link, although they did seem to occur during the warmer months.

I am glad Mango is feeling better, Dexter's got his buddy back and hopefully mom and dad will have a better night's sleep tonight.

I used to have cat urine problems, I used a product called Nature's Own and it worked quite well. But I realize dog and cat urine are different.

Doggie hugs to all of you.

Dory and the Mama said...

We soooo feel for you. I remember waking up to Bilbo's first seizure (also in the middle of the night...with bladder release)..although he is an 8 pound Lhasa vs RH Mango..the fear and helplessness is still the same when you can't help one of your best friends.

The vet also told us that there was really nothing we could do...except be there for him when he was back to himself. He suffered about 3 times a week always in the early morning hours.

The good news is that Bilbo's seizures stopped about 6 months after they started..and we still don't know what caused them...

Hang in there...
Beth (Dory's Mama)

AFSS said...

So sorry to hear about Mango's seizure. I can't imagine how scary that was. Fingers crossed it doesn't happen again.

As for the urine, have you tried Clean + Green Carpet & Upholstery or Nature's Miracle Dual Action Orange Oxy Power?

~Alasandra (Fenris' Mom)

Flo de Sendai said...

No experience, no advice, but....

WE ARE ALL CROSSING PAWS FOR MANGO !!!

Florence, Nana, Uyanga.

Deborah said...

I am sorry about Mango's seizure and I do know from Smoke's seizures, that it is just something that happens with him and the vet said not to worry. If he has more than 2 to 3 a month then he will go on medicine. Smokes is about 70 pds, not as big as Mango, but he pees also and thrashes about. If I miss one, I will now because he is agitated and pants a lot. With us, Smokes doesn't have too many as of yet but they are very scary to watch if you have never seen one before. I'm hoping Mango will be fine. I know the first time I saw this happen we all freaked out because it is so scary. So I totally understand your concerns.
xxoo
Deborah

1000 Goldens said...

Mango Momma, I am so very sorry about Mango having a seizure, that has got to be such a helpless feeling. My friend had a Golden who also had seizures, and he lived with them for many, many years. They would just have to give him some sort of suppository when the seizures came on, to settle him down. She said that he was "blind" for a couple hours after he had one, so maybe that is why Mango was not himself when he came out of it. We will pray that your beloved RH, will be fine and we send you hugs too.

Lacy said...

Hi MangoMomma, i know it was very scary for u...Rocky has had a couple..the first one, he just kinda drew his paw up, and was over it soon...the last one, in may he couldnt get up, and pped all over the floor and me..it took about 30mins for him to get to his old self..he went on the porch and just layed...it was like he didnt know who we were..before he did that i was petting him and telling him it was ok, we were with him...I am keeping a log on it, and if he has anymore, he will go to the vet..have u ever been to Roxy's blog...she is a rottie and has had them for awhile now...her blog is http://roxytherottie.blogspot.com/
snickers mom use to visit them too..mayb they can help u too..

b safe,
~rockys mama~

Sugar the Golden Retriever said...

Woof! Woof! Oh My Mango. I'm Sending you my Golden Healing Thoughts. I have a severe allergy of things (n I get a reactions or no reactions at all). My vet did mentions that if I have a severe reactions it might happen as a seizure. Do you have a allergy Mango? Have your vet check your liver and thyroid ... it might be one of the reason why you are having seizures. I wish there's a special medication that you can take that will take these seizure go away.
Urine in wool carpet is really hard to get rid off ... natural way is baking soda, white vinegar, liquid dishwashing detergent n 3% hydrogen peroxide. Mix 50% of vinegar n 50% water. Use it to scrub the carpet. let it dry then sprinkle some baking soda over soiled area. Then mix half cup of 3% hydrogen peroxide with a teaspoon f detergent. Pour it over the baking soda. Then scrub it again. Let it dry then vacuum. Hope this helps.

Lots of Golden Hugs, Kisses n Woofs to Mango. Sending you my Sweet Golden Healing Thoughts. Lots of Golden Woofs, Sugar

Mr. Pip said...

Hi - I just popped over from Lola's blog to extend my best wishes to you and Mango. I am so sorry this happened and I will keep you all in my thoughts. I don't know Mango, but he sounds like a wonderful dog.

Best wishes, Pip

Scruffy, Lacie and Stanley's Place said...

We have dear Mango in our thoughts and prayers...I told John today that Mango had has a seizure...hooman sissy is like "who's Mango?"...John laughed and said he's a famous mastiff who weighs more than he does...

Oh Mango Mama...it's been a long weekend...we will be keeping Mango close to our hearts...

Kisses to the big guy...

Mumsie and the kids who are still at camp....

♥MONA + MOMMY TOO♥ said...

Mango's Momma, we are so sorry Mango had a seizure. I've never been around a dog that had seizures but Taz, the little dog I kept for a week hadzures but he was taking medication for thrm.

Hopefully Mango will not have anymore. As far as the carpet, Our whole has is in tile.

Stay strog. Our love to dear Mango.

Mommy & Mona too

the booker man said...

mango momma,
poor mango!! i can't even imagine the fright it gave you. :( i've never experienced seizures in a dog before, so i'm afraid there is no advice i can offer. however, i will be thinking good thoughts for mango and praying that it's nothing really serious like a tumor that caused the seizure. please give mango a big bear hug for me.
as far as getting urine out of wool carpet, i am a huge fan of woolite pet + oxygen, but i don't know how effective it would be for such a large amount of urine.

the booker man and asa's mama

Twix said...

Oh, we have been away from the computer most of the weekend and are sorry we weren't here before to tell you we are thinking of you. I can't even begin to imagine how scary that was to wake up to. I'm so sorry you and Mango have had to go through this. I have no personal experience with seizures but a friend of mine has a border collie that started having them a couple years ago. After having several, they put her on an anti-seizure medication and she hasn't had any more at all.
I have used Nature's Miracle as well. Beware, it smells horrible while it is doing its work but it works. When potty training Twix she peed on my couch and that took the smell out of it.
You are in out thoughts and prayers. Thanks for letting us know so we could be here to support you and please keep us updated.
Sending hugs,
Twix Mom

Two Pitties in the City said...

Oh, we were so shocked to hear this happened. I can't imagine how scary this must have been, but we're glad he's ok now. We haven't had any experiences with dog seizures, but it sounds like a lot of people have some good advice and we're learning along with you. I know a lot of people mentioned Nature's Miracle; it's worked well for us. Good luck with everything!

Mango the Maltese kiddo said...

DWB NEWS today had me startled "Our support goes out to Mango, he suffered from a seizure Saturday nite.
I thought the news was all about me, the little brother who happened to share your name.
Oh Mango, my heart aches for you, why you, big brother?
My mom has no experiences about doggy seizure only doggy diabetes.
We are here for you to offer emotional support, endless love and full attention.
We wish you have no more seizure, your family gets though this awful experience in no time, we love you, always!
Hugs and kisses

brooke said...

Oh Mango Momma... how stressful of an event! We're all sending you our hugs and giant wet kisses from Darwin! We're hoping it was an isolated incident!

The Lee County Clowder said...

Meows, Mango. That seizure must have been scarifying for everyone.

We don't have any real advice for Mango or his Mom, but would like to run a bit against the grain on one thing. We would like to suggest Mango's Momma just relax, and wait a bit, like that V*T said. You could easily spend hundreds or thousands of dollars, not to mention doing all kinds of painful things to Mongo, with multiple sedations and general anesthesias, and wind up not knowing a thing you don't already know. We agree, keep a log, like many folks have suggested. But until it (and IF) happens again, we suspect the stress and pain and risks of the test way outweigh anything they are likely to tell anyone.

Sending some healthy purrrsss to Mongo. Hang in there, woofer.

Cinnamon said...

Oh, I am sorry to hear about the incident! I can't imagine how frightening it must have been to you. Unfortunately I can't give you any clue or advice, but all I can say is keep giving love to Mango as you have always had. We send our thoughts you way and hope that it is nothing serious.

Cinnamon's mum

Maggie and Mitch said...

OMG, you have mom in tears! We are just catching up now on the blogs!
We are so stressed to hear this news and are sending TONS of AireZen for Mango! We don't want him to have any more seizures!

Love ya lots
Maggie and Mitch

Penny and Patches said...

Dear Mango Momma, It looks like you have lots of good advice! I had a mini Schnauzer who had seizures for the last 2 years of her life. She was on medicine, but it was so long ago that I can't remember what it was. As for the carpet, I would call Stanley Steemer and ask their advice, at least. It's way too easy to ruin a wool carpet if it is cleaned the wrong way.
Mango, we're crossing all our paws for you and sending lots of healing Aire-zen.
Frankie Furter is right...you want to watch Dexter for signs that Mango is about to have another seizure. Hopefully, this is a one-time event!

Aire-hugs,
Penny & Patches & Lana

giantspeckledchihuahua said...

Oh Mango! that must have been sooooooooo scary! I've lived with two seizure dogs. Both live good long lives, one on meds (grand mal type seizures due to distemper as a puppy) The other was never diagnosed and lived medication free.

We are keeping you in our thoughts and prayers.

Ms. ~K said...

My sister in law's Lab had a seizure last week. They rushed Lola to ER, they gave her a valium, watched her for a couple of hours and sent her home....
They were told the same thing about epilepsy or brain tumor (must be standard procedure)...
Sending BIG hugs to Mango and one for you too Mom!!!

Kira The BeaWootiful said...

I see you have had nearly a hundred comments already... but this it just like Kira's first seizure, I woke up at 6 am to hear her... she has idoipathic epilepsy, after a brain scan they did not find anything. What we have discovered, after many years, that hers are stressed induced, she had her shots the day before her first seizure. Although the vet swears up and down that it was not related to the shots, it was the stress of them which triggered it. There are grand mals and happen every time her heart races , gets over excited...we no longer go to dog parks, or train anywhere but at our school and she is no longer entered in events. A great resource is this website.

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/

This has happened since she was 3 and is now 9. We have been seizure free on potassium bromide for almost a year.
God bless Mango and you both- you have our prayers

-Kira The BeaWootiful's Mom

Ruby and Penny said...

We are sending lots of doxie healing vibes for Mango. We hope this was just a one time event.
Love Ruby & Penny
Pees - we use Natures Miracle for urine odor & stain removal. Clean up as much as you can before spraying. Then saturate the spot so you get right down to the pad.
Do a spot test first for colour fastnest.

Misha said...

Oh Mango, my giant uncle!

That is so scary! I'm glad to hear you're okay!

Mom & I are sending really good thoughts!

Teddy said...

Poor Mango! My T-man (miniature poodle) used to have seizures occasionally. We think it was epilepsy and triggered by smells, flashes of light, etc. They were scary. He be out-of-it for a while afterwards, but suffered no ill effects overall. Hopefully that's all it is for Mango.

Daisy Dog said...

Mango Momma we had a doggie named Bear, Have lab half Newfie. She started having seizes when she was about 2. This (circa 1998). The vet could not find anything conclusive, and they were very infrequent. Then she stopped altogether, but when ever she had to be sedated for things lke teeth cleaning, afterwards we would have problems with the seizures. So we avoided the sedation unless absolutly necessary. Later in life when she was 12 or 13, we had to do a teeth clean and yes the seizures reoccured. But they also found cancer during that cleaning, and she had an osteosarcoma of the jaw. Bear lived for 13 long years.

HR Human said...

This is Turbo the Sibe's human. I have found that the use of an icepack as described in the link below is very helpful to Tubey recovering quickly from a seizure.

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/icepack.htm

Honey the Great Dane said...

Hi Mango - I know your Momma said she wanted human comments but since I know my human already commented to her loads on email, I will add my own comment here myself!

Just wanted to say what a scary experience - no wonder your humans were frantic! - but am glad you're back to your normal self now. Although I haven't had seizures myself (yet!), I know of lots of doggies who have - hopefully this will be a one-off and won't happen again!

Slobbers,
Honey the Great Dane

Joe Stains said...

We can't believe our buddy had a seizure!! We don't know anything about them fortunately for us. We sure hope this was an isolated incident. Also, my advice is to just leave the stain.

Anne-Kathrine said...

Im late on this but wanted to chime in. So sorry to hear about the seizure. It is damn scary in the middle of the night.

I've only had 1 experience with seizures and it wasn't good.

Bonzo my almost 12 yr old bernese mountain dog seizured early 1 morning. He came out of it pretty quickly but wanted out. So my sis and I carried him out side so he could go potty and he seizured again. We got him back upstairs to get stuff together (my neighborhood wasn't safe to be out at night like that) And he seizured again so about 3 times in less than 30 min. It was very hard on him since he was blind and deaf and didn't seem to recognize us after the last seizure.

I was able to call the vet and they opened up early. Unfortunately the 3 seizure affected his walking and he couldn't walk anymore not to mention not recognizing us plus the not hearing and seeing. Unfortunately we had to let him go about 1 hr after the 1st seizure. Was very hard to deal with but we had to let him go since he was sooo scared and there was no guarentee that he would walk again. My vet believed that he got brain damage with the seizures so close to eachother.

I really hope Mango has much better luck with it. I've known dogs with seizures who have lived for years with meds. Please keep us posted!

achieve1dream said...

Sorry Mango had a seizure. I know that can be terrifying. Normally seizures aren't anything to worry about. Epilepsy just means they have frequent seizures. They don't actually know what causes them. Most vets won't put them on medication unless they are having them frequently (several times a month). Just keep an eye on him. Normally you can tell when they're going to have one (my grandparents can always tell when their dog is going to have one) and keep him someplace safe at night when you can't watch him. I'm glad everyone is okay and that Dex is being a good brother. Hugs!

twinkietinydog said...

Oh my gosh! So scary to witness something like that. Our beloved horse had a similar seizure and it really freaked me out. But that's behind you now. I hope you have some good news by now and are celebrating in private first!!! I really am crazy about the big guy ... As for the carpet, I guess you can soak it in vinegar to get the smell off. Don't worry about the vinegar smell. It really dissipates fast. I'm so sorry for your scare (let's just call it that for now)
My warmest wishes. Please update us Mango fans and friends as soon as you feel up to it.
Twinkie's M

Biggie-Z said...

Mango, we are all very worried about you here! Take care and heal well. As for the urine - Agree with previous posters to see if a professional get most of it out, and then soak the heck out of it with NAture's Miracle.

Thinking of you.

Biggie and Momma

ocmist said...

Just finished reading all 105 comments. There is a lot of great advice here for ALL of your readers as well as for you. Just having these things discussed here should help all of us learn more about this type of thing.

Of course, we are praying here for you, Mango, and the rest of your family that there will never be another one. I know, from experience that it is a totally scary experience. IF it ever happens again, and some other person is available, I would have THEM take video maybe, but with the special ed children I worked with and with the two animals (pony & Buddy, OC's dad)

I always felt it was best for them that I stay calm, stay as close as possible (touching if safe - not with pony) and talk them through it. Both the pony and Buddy had cancer for several years and we walked them to the rainbow bridge VERY shortly after they started having the seizures because we already knew that was best for them by that point. We had 25 years with Babe and 12 years with Bud.

I don't know whether it would be better to take vids or turn down the lights because bright lights made things worse for several of my students.

Anyway, we are all going to be praying and expecting no repeats of this problem for you all, and I'd wait, too, on to many painful tests or anything that would need anesthesia to get results from, because of the stress for him.

Hubby asked about heat and dehydration, but I think you already covered that. The Love of the Blogging world is with you all! Grammy from Corgi Country

Sapphire said...

oh, i'm real late. sorry to hear about that. do feel better, you are one big brave Mango.

Allison (Dog Mom) said...

Oh, goodness, Mango! We are so sorry to hear of your seizure! We don't have any advice, other than we will keep our paws crossed for you.

We wuv woo!
Gus and Waldo

Cheryl, Indiana, Shingo and Molly said...

One of Moms first furkids had seizures. Once the vet got the meds right, she lived many happy years.

So glad to her that you are feeling MUCH better Mango!!

Woofs and Kisses!
The Fiesty Three

Scout 'n Freyja said...

If it is any comfort to you at all, Scout has had intermittent seizures for the past 7 years (he is 10). My vet, too, said that I should just keep an eye on him and if they came closer together we may have to use medication to manage them; however, Scout only has them every few months and when there is one within a week or so another will happen, so don't be too upset if you see another soon. What I have found out in observation is that if I let his blood sugar dip too much he 'may' seize. So other than two meals a day I try to give a little treat of something at intervals throughout the day. Please know that this is not as scary as it looks. Unlike Mango, Scout will let me hold him and rub his ears when he is seizing. Oh, one more thing - about 2-3 minutes before Scout has one of these things he will whine a little. That is my clue to go to him to comfort him while the seizure is taking place - which seems like hours but is only a minute or two. My ♥ is with Mango and his momma and dadda because I know it is scary and I know how horrible it is to see someone you love so much confused and upset.

Sunshade said...

I am so sorry that I was away and this happened to dear Mango. I am happy to see that he seems to be on the mend and isn't having more seizures. I'm sorry I'm not familiar with seizures so can't offer help in that aspect, but would like to let the Mango family know that we're keeping our fingers and paws crossed that no more seizures!

Sending lots of prayers and AireZENS from the Aire-kids.

Elaine, Sunshade & Jaffa

Bella the Westie said...

We are so sorry about Mango's seizure and we are hoping and praying that it will be the last or that you will find a remedy - it's heart warming to see the love and support you are getting from all your friends.
Best healing wishes and lots of Love from Bella.

The Army of Four said...

We are so very sorry to read this!!! Our thoughts and prayers are with Mango - and you!
KZ and the Ao4

The Two Country Poodles & Uncle Puppy said...

Mango momma,
We have been behind in reading the blogs and this is the first time we have heard about this. First we would like to say we are so sorry to hear Mr. Mango had a seizure and hope he will never have another. We will keep him in our prayers!


Wags and Licks,
Katie & Mollie Jo & Bobo
& Lolly Pop

Morgan in Pittsburgh said...

Hi Mango Momma - very sorry to hear about Mango. I know how scarey that first seizure is. I had a dog (medium sheltie/brittany mix) who had them from the time she was 6 years old till she was 16 and crossed the bridge. She did well on phenobarbital (daily) occasionally she would have one, but I believe she began to feel when they were coming on. She eventually became less scared after one, and would just sleep it off afterward. I learned to be calm as well, and just stayed with her till it was over. it became "just something that happened" Ask about maintance medication if it happens again. I was thinking maybe it would be handy for you to have a human stretcher on hand? and ice packs in the freezer?
M&M's mum.

Sierra Rose said...

Oh goodness! Sorry we are late to key in on this event. We are hoping Mango is fine, and just perhaps a very tired brain that did a strange number on sweet Mango. Have not encountered such with our furries, so don't have direct knowledge on this. Hoping you have received many great comments and health wishes. Blessings.

Hugs and snaggle-tooth kisses,
Sierra Rose

Amber and Nala said...

Oh my...poor Mango! We are so sorry...how awful it must have been and what a feeling of helplessness to see your beloved dog having a seizure and not being able to stop it. We are glad Mango is feeling better and know you will keep a watchful eye on him. We hope this was just a singular incident. Our thoughts are with you.

Amber & Nala

Shmoo said...

I highly recommend the canine epilepsy support group... no matter the cause, this group is simply fantastic with support, information, and everything you need.

The link to their site and support group is on the gimpydog blog: http://gimpydogblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/epilepsy-resources.html

Samantha said...

Dear MangoMa,
OMD! I HAVE been seriously MIA not to have read about this somewhere - you poor thing. Oh give Mango belated big hugs and kisses from the 2 girl doggies and 1 girl kitty over here. How horribly frightening to have had such a scary thing happen. I don't know anything about seizures, but there is sure a lot of good advice here.
With Huge Hugs xoxoxo
Sammie, Av and Oz

HoundDogMom said...

Mango, our human is so behind on reading blogs it is horrible. She has had this thing called a Class Reunion the last week and then pre-planning for that. She has totally neglected us and our blog and blogging buddies. We are so sorry to hear about your seizure, sounds very scary. But it sounds like you have come out of it good shape. I think staying in the cool air is better for you. Let PeeWee get all hot and yucky. But I think you still needs lots of cool treats. The Hounddogs